This is CBSI in the world.

I'm John Batchel.

Richard Goldberg's here from the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies,

identifying MSCI as a New York-based investment counselor,

hired by large investors, pension funds, individuals, unions to invest money for ESG

purposes.

But we come to the machine within the machine.

There's a very large document, a lot of talk, looks congratulatory, good for it, it's

selling.

And it has clients that pay it a great deal of money to do the research that individual firms do not have the time or focus to do. They're making

money. They're not researching their suppliers. We come to the machine within the machine.

MSCI ESG Controversies Methodology Committee.

There's no list of the names on the committee.

It could be AI these days.

But I go down the list of what is contributing to flagging problems in investment.

A. Rich is spoken of the UN Human Rights Council, and that would fool a lot of people

until you ask for the list of countries that are participating in that.

But then we come to something that is stark, to me, Al Jazeera and Palestine Chronicle,

contributing to the Controversies Methodology Committee.

Rich, I'm flabbergasted.

This doesn't stand up to even one reading.

I didn't have to take a magnifying glass out.

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