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The 1000 Hours Outside Podcast

1KHO 791: Play Is the Untold Hero | Dr. Deborah McNamara, Rest, Play Grow

The 1000 Hours Outside Podcast

Ginny Yurich

Parenting, Kids & Family

4.82.3K Ratings

🗓️ 7 May 2026

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Summary

Something is going wrong in childhood, and most of us can feel it. We’re rushing kids forward and wondering why they’re struggling to become themselves. In this powerful conversation, Ginny Yurich sits down with Dr. Deborah MacNamara to unpack what children actually need to grow: deep rest in relationship, wide-open play, and the freedom to feel their full range of emotions. Drawing from Rest, Play, Grow, Deborah explains why maturity is not a guarantee, why play is the birthplace of personhood, and why “tears of futility” are not a problem to fix but a process that helps children become resilient human beings . This episode will change how you see tantrums, learning, and even your role as a parent—offering a steady, sane path forward in a world that keeps pushing kids too far, too fast. Don't miss it and remember to send it to friends and family who need to hear this message. Get your copy of Rest, Play, Grow here ** A huge thank you to our sponsors! Check them ALL out below:  BetterHelp: Visit  ⁠www.BetterHelp.com/1000HOURS⁠  today to get 10% off your first month. Quince - Visit ⁠www.quince.com/outside⁠ and get free shipping and 365 day returns IXL Learning - Head to ⁠www.ixl.com/1000hours⁠ to get an exclusive 20% savings on your membership Whisker - Take care of your cats while taking an additional $50 off bundles with code 1000HOURS when you shop ⁠www.whisker.com/1000HOURS⁠  Skylight - Right now, Skylight calendar is offering our listeners $30 off their 15-inch calendar when you go to ⁠wwwlMySkylight.com/1000Hours⁠  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

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Learn more at Instagram.com slash teen accounts.

0:30.3

Welcome to the 1000 Hours Outside podcast.

0:32.7

My name is Ginny Urich and the founder of 1000 Hours Outside and I've just read a fantastic book.

0:54.9

It is called Rest, Play Grow, making sense of preschoolers or anyone who acts like one. But I found that this would be so applicable to parents of any age. For whatever stage your kids are in, but also for yourself, there is so much that you learn about in this book. And the author, Dr. Deborah McNamara is here. She also has a book called Nourished. Welcome, Deborah. Thank you so much for having me and

1:00.1

for your enthusiasm. I'm delighted you loved it. It, uh, people, you know, young kids, you are so

1:07.7

misunderstood. Yes, they're so misunderstood. Okay. so would you give us a little bit of your backstory?

1:13.5

You did a postdoctoral internship with Gordon Newfeld, and I just actually had the

1:18.1

opportunity of interviewing him, and I've been talking about his book constantly, hold on

1:21.7

to your kids.

1:22.7

This takes it, I think, in a, like, there's different depth here in rest, play, grow, as well as really

1:29.2

focusing on these earlier years. So how did you get interested in this topic? I had a child and

1:35.2

I was a counselor. And while I was dealing with adults with their own counseling issues, I thought,

1:40.8

now that I'm a parent, I want to try to figure out what that looks like in terms of raising a child in today's world where we understand attachment and human development.

1:50.0

And so I basically said, I need to find some experts in the field that I can anchor into some science.

1:56.7

And I found Gordon Neufeld's work.

1:58.6

And that was 22 years ago.

2:00.5

And so I've done nothing but study

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