Welcome, welcome to the 1000 Hours Outside podcast.

My name is Ginny Ehrich. I'm the founder of 1000 Hours Outside. And I have an author here that I have been a fan of for a very, very long time. I read his New York Times bestselling book range, which is such a fantastic book, I think, for parents because we're always pushing our kids to specialize. And this about you know like having broader interests so the

author david epstein is here and he has a new book called inside the box about constraints welcome

david thanks so much for having me i appreciate that very enthusiastic introduction are these like

such fantastic books for parenting like i see just this push for young kids

you know to get them specialized to only do one thing or just a lot of push you talk about

in inside the box for just like freedom you know and in our work you know freedom all we want

is autonomy and you just make such an incredible case for having some constraints in your life, boxing

it in.

So have you gotten feedback from parents that have said things like, and I know inside the

box hasn't come out yet, but that are using this for their parenting philosophies?

Yeah.

I mean, it's so early.

I haven't gotten a ton of feedback yet because it's like totally new to the world.

But a little bit from the people that have read advanced copies or early copies of the book.

Because I think there's this balance and tension, right?

So I wrote one book range about the benefits of having broad experiences

and exploring and all these things. And then this next book is about, well, you get this broad

tools and experiences and you actually channel those into something. So I think between these books,

I'm trying to get at this balance of fostering exploration, but also giving enough structure

that people aren't just drifting freely.

And I think about this as a parent. When Rain came out, I turned it, between the time I turned

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