Fun is a really wide tent, right?

Like I'm sure, you know, in a few weeks,

you know, someone could be advocating

for a different type of activity, know than outdoor play and so I think it will be neat to sort of

Understand the research that you've done you know and have the dialogue about that and then I can share everything that I've learned just about leisure in general right because I think so much of a worse start I think that's where our message certainly there is a high resonance right is that we're just mortgaging so much of what life has to offer because

You know in the pandemic especially right? Yeah because you know and in the pandemic especially right yeah because you know I listened to Priscilla's

your recent podcast with Priscilla and like you you know, it was interesting I think of her personal choice but then also in a macro context of how many parents had to make some, you know, interesting decisions.

My wife and I specifically, and if we get into it or not doesn't matter but you know we went the other way unfortunately we were in survival mode of my day job is in

we put health clubs and corporate installations and hospitals and all those were shut down, right?

So we're, you know, I was trying to help us think and ship.

And we really had to, know rely on things that didn't necessarily feel good

so that everyone had the psychological space you know space to survive.

And then how do you unengineer that?

Because what we do know from psychology is

habitual behavior is hard to change, right?

Unless you're being, you know, I know you have a very pragmatic way to do that but a lot of folks don't have those

tools even though it seems so pedestrian right? Sometimes it just takes that nudge and I can tell your

audience you know loves it and I get a similar vibe from my tribe is like this is so easy like I'm frustrated I didn't even you know like it like it just took you, you know, it's kind of like sometimes I like, you know, a fire to a caveman, right? Like that's, fire is not really that, you know, it's an elemental thing, but until you can see you know then and then all of a

sudden you're like where it was there right there in front of my face the whole time.

Yeah, yeah.

Well listen Mike we're in it so let's just keep going.

We're in it, I'm going to leave all that in.

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