We should start tonight by closing the loop. I can't believe I just said that out loud. I hate myself so hard. Let me try that again. Come out of the parking lot.

The sad thing is this is going to go in the show. Oh yeah. This is going to go in the show and I hate myself so hard.

Okay, so we should start tonight by putting a period at the end of the sentence. And that sentence being John.

What happened with your energy star sticker?

I was encouraged by lots of stories and pictures posted by people on the internet saying I have removed my energy star sticker from a algae monitor and it went okay.

Didn't I tell you that during the episode? Yeah, lots of people lots of people sent me stick, uh, you know images of them doing it.

Mm-hmm. It's not so the other people tell you that you believe them. You don't believe me. You're co-host. You're a good friend, but you believe the randos on the internet.

Well, I need like a certain, you know, it helps to have more people say it. And some people, uh, one poor person was like, boy, I'm glad I don't have an energy star sticker on my monitor and then he looked and he found it.

So is this can you now we're on the topic? Can you please explain the phrase trust but verify to me?

That's from the Cold War or the Reagan era thing of like trying to make it sound like he is cooperating with the USSR in disarmament talks.

But by the same token, he is also still a strong cowboy who will bang bang USA choose burger cheeseburger. So it's trust.

But verify. So how is that different from just not trusting people and just verifying everything anyway?

I told you how it's different is different because it sounds like you're being trusting cooperative, but at the same time you speak out of the other side of your mouth and say, but I'm still a manly man who can beat up people.

So it's trust, but don't trust. Okay. So it's not really trusting.

So your dish is a virtually spotless means your dishes have spots on them. Right.

So I've heard this phrase. I never I didn't know that was the origin of it. Thank you for the history lesson. I honestly don't know that.

So that makes sense that it would like a political double speak thing, but I hear people use the phrase as a seeming as a seemingly non sarcastic directive.

So are they just using it wrong? Yeah. What is the context of how is this connect energy star sticker?

It's almost like security. Well, because you you didn't trust Casey telling you that you had to like get verification from everybody else.

Oh, no, no, it's just like, I mean, that's just one data point. It just helps to have more data points. It's not as if I needed to trust Casey, but verify.

Like I needed more people because his monitor is not the same as mine. His sticker is not the same as mine. You know, there are many different possibilities here.

And maybe he's not as picky about sticky stuff. So trust, but a verify really just means don't trust anybody and verify everything.

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