Hello and welcome to another episode of the Mark Groves podcast.

As you know, I really love exploring the edges of how we relate.

The spaces where we're experiencing friction or a lack of liberation, where we're not free, where that

relationship that we have actually requires that we don't share our truth or a voice, or

that drink we're having is actually treating a feeling. So are we really in choice, or are we

using that thing to avoid a feeling that would actually liberate us into making a

certain choice?

And this is why I explore it in every aspect and everything we're in relationship with

can inform us, especially if there is friction or what feels like a lack of choice, which

would ultimately feel like what an addiction is to.

And I've been fascinated by my own relationship with my body and exercise and how being fit

and then not being fit, how those things really informed in a lot of ways how I felt about myself.

And the challenges of eating a certain way versus not or avoiding certain foods versus not like there's something so much more

challenging going on than literally just a logical choice of choose this food and you'll feel

better or choose this one and you'll feel worse but but you'll feel better in a way, right?

And if it was just easy, we'd all choose the broccoli over the pizza, but there's something about it.

And again, even exploring this idea that it has to be either or restriction or what is considered not.

And I've always been really inspired and fascinated by the guest today's journey

because he did that.

He went through these different steps of being,

and his brand is called Fit to Fat to Fit.

And I've been following him for a while now and just really inspired by the messages he delivers his conversations about vulnerability.

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