Welcome to How Leaders Lead where every week you get to listen in while I interview some of the very best leaders in the world.

I break down the key learning so that by the end of the episode, you'll have something simple you can apply as you develop into a better leader.

That's what this podcast is all about.

You've probably heard the tongue and cheek expression, do as I say, not as I do. And you've probably worked with people who

lead that way, saying one thing, but doing something entirely different. Well, my guest today is not that kind of leader. Charlie Sharp is the

CEO and president of Wells Fargo. He took over in 2019, which, as you may know, if you follow the

banking industry, was a real low point in the company. But listen, the turnaround he's leading there is remarkable,

and you're going to hear all about it today. You'll also hear a leader who understands that you

can't just say what your priorities and values are, although that's crucial. You've got to set

the example yourself so your decisions and actions

align with those priorities. That's how you earn the respect and trust you need to get people

working together and following you and believing in you. Let's see how it's done. Here's my

conversation with my good friend and soon to be yours, Charlie Shorth.

You know, Charlie, I knew you were into tennis. I knew you were into golf, but I learned

that you're also a woodworker. And you're the only leader I know who's a woodworker.

What's the best thing you ever made?

Best thing I ever made was I built a library in a house I owned years ago.

And when I say built, I raw wood delivered to the house, started from scratch,

created my own molding, built shelves, and I gather

it's still standing because we know the people that own the house.

That is so great.

And I got to ask you, what's an essential skill in woodworking that you've carved into your

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