192 | Jonathan M. Katz: Reckoning with American Empire + Debating “War Is a Racket”
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🗓️ 18 January 2022
⏱️ 63 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Marshall and Saga here. Welcome back to the Realignment. |
| 0:08.9 | Anytime you try to boil down something as complicated as a war, even as as as as as |
| 0:17.3 | complicated as an individual person like Smelly Butler, into a into a you know a single |
| 0:23.2 | explanation, you're always going to triple groups. |
| 0:36.6 | Today's episode is based on a very true fact despite all the urges not to read the comments if you |
| 0:44.1 | consistently reply with one phrase, if you consistently email us one phrase. If you argue with us |
| 0:51.2 | in the comments by us, I mean mostly me in the comments eventually will have to do an episode on a |
| 0:56.0 | topic. That topic is General Smelly Butler may have heard his name in reference to a really great |
| 1:02.0 | episode we did around the war in Afghanistan with General Dan Boudre actually our biggest ever |
| 1:07.4 | episode of all time. People are bringing up an idea of war is a racket which is based on |
| 1:13.6 | the pamphlet that Smelly Butler wrote as a post retirement Marine Corps general in 1930, |
| 1:19.7 | who's based on the idea that will resonate with a lot of you that effectively war, corruption, |
| 1:25.5 | profiteering, drove a lot of really bad decisions in US foreign policy history and draw a lot of |
| 1:31.2 | decisions today. People are bringing up wars a racket in the context of the war in Afghanistan. |
| 1:35.4 | Now, well, sorry I want you to speak to this in a second, but I think we're both sympathetic to |
| 1:40.6 | critiques of the war in Iraq, critiques of the war in Afghanistan as the author of this book |
| 1:45.7 | Gangsters of Capitalism Smelly Butler, the Marines and the Making and Breaking America's Empire |
| 1:50.9 | will point out Smelly Butler's thought is a little simple, it's a little oversimplifized, |
| 1:57.6 | and it's a little misuse. So it's useful to have a really interesting author come on to talk |
| 2:01.8 | about it in its themes. Yeah, I you know, that's what I loved about Jonathan is that he even was |
| 2:08.3 | willing to say, look, yeah, like Smelly's analysis was not 100% on. It's kind of taken a life of |
| 2:13.4 | its own in the year 2022. Here's what the context of what he was actually saying was was actually |
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