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The Realignment

192 | Jonathan M. Katz: Reckoning with American Empire + Debating “War Is a Racket”

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The Realignment

Saager Enjeti, Technology, Policy, News, Marshall Kosloff, International Relations, Politics, News Commentary, Public Policy, U.s. Politics, National Security, Economics

4.82.5K Ratings

🗓️ 18 January 2022

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Liked this (or any other episode)? Send us a tip: https://buy.stripe.com/bIYdRx0gc6qjaEEcMM Subscribe to The Realignment’s Substack newsletter: https://therealignment.substack.com/ Visit our Bookshop storefront and support the show: https://bookshop.org/shop/therealignment Plus, here are the links to Jonathan’s Substack: https://theracket.news/ and his Gangsters Movie Night episode on Harold & Kumar Escape from Guantanamo Bay: https://theracket.news/p/gangsters-movie-night-harold-and Jonathan M. Katz, author of Gangsters of Capitalism: Smedley Butler, the Marines, and the Making and Remaking of America’s Empire and The Racket Substack, joins The Realignment to discuss the legacy of General Smedley Butler (the most decorated U.S. Marine in history) through the lens of his involvement in early 20th century interventions in Cuba, the Philippines, China, and Haiti, how we should reflect on America’s imperial legacy in the context of 21st century Chinese and Russian aggression, and how (or should) we evaluate present and future wars under his famous “War Is a Racket” speech/pamphlet.

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0:00.0

Marshall and Saga here. Welcome back to the Realignment.

0:08.9

Anytime you try to boil down something as complicated as a war, even as as as as as

0:17.3

complicated as an individual person like Smelly Butler, into a into a you know a single

0:23.2

explanation, you're always going to triple groups.

0:36.6

Today's episode is based on a very true fact despite all the urges not to read the comments if you

0:44.1

consistently reply with one phrase, if you consistently email us one phrase. If you argue with us

0:51.2

in the comments by us, I mean mostly me in the comments eventually will have to do an episode on a

0:56.0

topic. That topic is General Smelly Butler may have heard his name in reference to a really great

1:02.0

episode we did around the war in Afghanistan with General Dan Boudre actually our biggest ever

1:07.4

episode of all time. People are bringing up an idea of war is a racket which is based on

1:13.6

the pamphlet that Smelly Butler wrote as a post retirement Marine Corps general in 1930,

1:19.7

who's based on the idea that will resonate with a lot of you that effectively war, corruption,

1:25.5

profiteering, drove a lot of really bad decisions in US foreign policy history and draw a lot of

1:31.2

decisions today. People are bringing up wars a racket in the context of the war in Afghanistan.

1:35.4

Now, well, sorry I want you to speak to this in a second, but I think we're both sympathetic to

1:40.6

critiques of the war in Iraq, critiques of the war in Afghanistan as the author of this book

1:45.7

Gangsters of Capitalism Smelly Butler, the Marines and the Making and Breaking America's Empire

1:50.9

will point out Smelly Butler's thought is a little simple, it's a little oversimplifized,

1:57.6

and it's a little misuse. So it's useful to have a really interesting author come on to talk

2:01.8

about it in its themes. Yeah, I you know, that's what I loved about Jonathan is that he even was

2:08.3

willing to say, look, yeah, like Smelly's analysis was not 100% on. It's kind of taken a life of

2:13.4

its own in the year 2022. Here's what the context of what he was actually saying was was actually

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