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The Rest Is Politics: Leading

191. Is It Already Too Late to Control AI? (Anthropic Co-Founder, Jack Clark)

The Rest Is Politics: Leading

Goalhanger

News, Government, Politics

4.6 • 3.2K Ratings

šŸ—“ļø 31 May 2026

ā±ļø 68 minutes

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Summary

Why is one of AI's most powerful insiders scared of what he's building? Who's really in charge of the technology reshaping our world? Is it too late for governments to regulate it? Rory and Matt Clifford are joined by Jack Clark, Co-Founder of Anthropic, to answer all these questions and more. __________ Search IG.com to find out more and/or Look for IG in your app store. __________ Instagram: ⁠@restispolitics⁠ Twitter: ⁠@restispolitics⁠ Email: ⁠therestispolitics@goalhanger.com⁠ __________ Social Producer: Celine Charles Video Editor: Josh Smith Assistant Producer: Daisy Alston-Horne Senior Producer: Nicole Maslen General Manager: Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:14.2

The world we're in is one where AI companies are building the equivalent of nuclear power plants,

0:19.1

and we just had our first case where when we upgrade the plant, a nuclear bomb also falls out of it. You say, uh-oh, this has some implications.

0:26.0

Are we in a world in which we're essentially saying that a bunch of voluntary good guys

0:29.7

build these amazing weapons and then they just choose not to release them, but nobody can tell them

0:34.2

what to do? We're entering an era where you actually need to do serious coordination,

0:38.0

including between governments, to keep having all gas, no brakes.

0:42.2

It's not sustainable to keep this going.

0:44.7

We have to figure out that coordination, both within the industry,

0:48.5

and maybe more importantly and more challengingly, with China.

0:52.2

If everyone gets access to it, you're now rolling like a whole bunch of loaded dice with

0:56.4

the lives of people around the planet.

0:58.1

We have to somehow force a larger conversation on what do we want to do with this technology

1:02.5

and how do we want it to be developed.

1:06.0

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1:24.8

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