190. How the Media Still Misunderstands Trump (Tina Brown)

The Rest Is Politics: Leading

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🗓️ 24 May 2026

⏱️ 73 minutes

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Why does Trump understand the media better than the media understands him? Are tech billionaires like Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos more dangerous to journalism than Rupert Murdoch ever was? What did Tina Brown see change in Trump from the '80s to now, and when did he turn "dark"? Alastair and Rory are joined by Tina Brown, author of the Substack 'Fresh Hell' and former editor-in-chief of Tatler, Vanity Fair, and The New Yorker, to discuss all these questions and more. Find out more about Truth Tellers here. __________ Search IG.com to find out more and/or Look for IG in your app store. __________ Instagram: ⁠@restispolitics⁠ Twitter: ⁠@restispolitics⁠ Email: ⁠therestispolitics@goalhanger.com⁠ __________ Social Producer: Celine Charles Video Editor: Josh Smith, Joe Petit Assistant Producer: Daisy Alston-Horne Senior Producer: Nicole Maslen General Manager: Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:09.4	Just go to therestispolities.com. That's the rest is politics.com.
0:14.2	I really believe that Fox News has been the single most damaging thing that has ever happened to America.
0:19.8	We interviewed Gavin Newsom a few months ago and he said without Rupert Murdoch, there is no
0:24.1	President Trump.
0:24.9	The incredible thing that Trump proved and he's so good at it.
0:28.1	He understands the media is so much better than the media understands him even now.
0:32.2	There's no journalist really who's going to say, I just had a long conversation with the
0:35.7	president, but it's all rubbish and I'm not going to print it.
0:38.3	Because they know they'll never get another one.
0:39.7	They'll never get another one. And also it's like, you just got a scoop. Post-truth is a strategy. People like Trump deploy it. People like Putin deploy it. We've really got to the point where you just think, well, what is really happening? The disinformation and the confusion has become so toxic because people
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