It's a sequence of events, a series of mistakes that are made that ultimately end in the catastrophic event.

The reality is, police don't have to be correct, they have to be reasonable, and it is unreasonable to think just because a guy has a gun, you are in immediate danger, you're not.

You do not ask people to comply and then shoot them while they're compliant.

There's no argument to you made that he represented a reasonable threat to that officer.

Hello and welcome to the best case worst case. This is Jim Clemente, retired FBI profiled former New York City prosecutor and writer producer and CBS's criminal minds and with me today is.

Hi everybody it's francey hates former state and federal prosecutor Jim sometimes sidekick sometime Jim is my sidekick right Jim I'm sure you agree with that characterization.

I know you'd love to kick me in the side anytime possible again so I have to agree and with us today we have an epic guest cast.

We do and it's a cast Jim it's not a guest. It's two guests joining us first cast of characters cast of characters joining us first from his Virginia studio.

I'm Jim Clemente's brother younger brother year younger decades smarter. I'm in my studio Fredericksburg Virginia where I have lived for decades now where I was an FBI agent in Washington DC before that I was a street cop in St. Louis Missouri.

But you know Tim here's what's interesting Jim always calls himself a writer producer on CBS's criminal minds which is totally accurate.

I happen to know that you're involved in some TV work yourself and you never tell us that so tell us that.

Oh okay well I thought the conversation related to police work so it does but still people like to know.

All right well I was a writer and on the spin off of criminal minds criminal minds beyond borders for two seasons I have been a freelance writer on the show NCIS Los Angeles since its first season I've written a couple of pilots I wrote for the show the unit in the fourth season wrote for the show lie to me in its second season and been consulting on many many shows and pilots for the last decade.

And I've written several feature films a few of which well it might actually come to fruition will see fingers crossed the fancy yes.

The thing is we have another guest what yes the inimitable.

Hi it's Bobby Bobby Chacon retired at the agent and also now writer thanks to my two mentors also online Jim Clemente and Tim Clemente brought me into the business extra productions and laid out a plan for me that has been followed to the tee and everything they said would come true has to know I'm writing with them and we are creating some incredible content that hopefully many people will be seeing in the very new future.

Bobby you should have you could have been very succinct and said and writer on CBS's criminal minds just like Jim does.

I could.

And so you'll be saying the same thing and writer on my show which I executive produce yes but a big cross button I'm so glad you guys are here because Jim we have something to discuss today that is.

Well it's an issue that all of us care very much about absolutely out of Phoenix Arizona we've become aware of a very disturbing case in which there was an I one one call.

It was from an upstairs neighbor in an apartment building who said that he had to get to work in the morning and he couldn't get any sleep because he heard loud noises yelling from the apartment below call 911 so this was what is what we would typically call a noise complaint and during that call something unfortunate happened very unfortunate in which.

The operator said do you know if they are being violent and the caller said if it will get somebody here quicker than yes they're being violent and I can only imagine what happened after that was that the call went out from the dispatch to cops on the street and this is late at night and.

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