19: The Case Against Trump with Rep. Jamie Raskin

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🗓️ 20 September 2023

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Jen is joined by Rep. Jamie Raskin to lay out the case against Trump and examine the legal issues that should keep him out of the presidency. They cover the potential of Section 3 of the 14th Amendment to keep him out of office for his role in the January 6th insurrection, why his incitement against the election is not protected by the Constitution, and how he attacked our voting rights and pressured officials to break their oaths. They also discuss the bottom up legal strategy being used to prosecute him and those he inspired, and emphasize the role our institutions have in defending our democracy.

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Congressman Jamie Raskin:
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0:00.0	Hi, this is Jen Rubin, and this is Jen Rubin's Green Room.
0:15.0	I want to talk to you before we get to our guest today about polls.
0:25.8	I have many readers and listeners who want to know,
0:32.6	should we be worried? Biden seems to be close to or tied to or slightly behind Donald Trump.
0:41.2	What's going on? Should we worry? And I think the easiest thing to do for about the next year is to totally ignore polls. I don't mean this purely as a means of mental self-preservation,
0:48.8	although it does perform that service. It's simply that it has zero meaning. And it's not that it has some meeting. It has
0:57.2	no meeting. And the reason is really four or fivefold. First, have we not learned that these polls are
1:05.6	hugely inaccurate? They didn't call the 2016 race correctly. They didn't call 2020 correctly. They predicted the
1:15.3	red wave in 2022, which never materialized. So why we should keep investing our faith and making
1:23.5	decisions and reporting the news based upon this admittedly inaccurate, ridiculous method of
1:34.4	tracking Americans thinking is really beyond me. I think it's a waste of time. And worse,
1:40.8	it makes people crazy. Second, it's way too early. If you go back to a year and a half
1:50.0	before the 2016 election or a year and a half before the 2020 election, would you have any
1:58.6	meaningful information that Hillary Clinton was going to narrowly lose
2:03.3	or Biden was going to narrowly win? You wouldn't. Right now, it's a waste of time because we don't
2:11.4	really know what the state of play is. Is Donald Trump already going to be convicted? Is he going to be
2:17.0	under trial? Is it going to be under trial?
2:18.1	Is he going to be exonerated? How is Biden doing? Does he appear vigorous? Does he not appear
2:24.1	vigorous? So nothing that we know now really is going to affect what we think 18 months from now.
2:32.2	And for that reason, alone, we should discount this. Lastly, voters tell us
2:39.3	conflicting things. They are of mixed mind on many topics. On one hand, you say, well, the polls show that
2:47.8	the race is evenly divided between Biden and Trump.
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