This is Jockel Podcast number 188 with David Burke and me, Jockel Willink. Good evening, Dave.

Good evening.

And on the last podcast, number 187, Dave and I dug into the first two chapters.

We tried to make it a three. We only made it two of the Marine Corps Doctonal Publication, MCDP-1,

DAC3 tactics. So if you haven't listened to that podcast, that's 187, then go there and start

because now we are going back to the book, starting with chapter three.

Here we go. Chapter three is called Gaining Advantage. And like the other chapters, it starts with

a couple quotes, the first quote, in war, the power to use two fists is an incredible asset.

To faint with one fist and strike with the other yields an advantage, but a still greater advantage

lies in being able to interchange them, to convert the faint into the real blow if the opponent

uncovers himself. And that's BH Ladell Hart. It's kind of a controversial figure a little bit,

but he was British officer wounded in World War One. Wounded in World War One, you know,

last podcast we were talking about how you made it through World War One and then you involved

in World War Two, right? Crazy. BH Ladell Hart, one of those guys who was wounded in World War One,

took a couple years to recover and then went back into World War One, battled a psalm, wounded

again, gassed. Wounded gas taken off the line in his entire battalion was wiped out. So he ended up

being a writer, a military theorist. And I'm sure I'll cover some of his books on here at some point.

They're really interesting books and he had a very interesting perspective, very, very, I would say,

contrarian perspective on warfare, especially contrarian in regards to World War One. Hey,

this doesn't seem like it was a great idea. When your battalion gets wiped out, the battle

of psalm I think that might be a thing to walk away with it with. And the other quote that this

starts with is the challenges to identify and adopt a concept of war fighting consistent with our

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