Welcome to the Counseling Tutor podcast, the must listen to podcast for students of counseling and psychotherapy.

Here are your hosts, Rory Lee's Oaks and Ken Kelly.

Hi, I'm Rory and with me as always is Ken. How are you, Ken?

Exceptionally well and grateful to be here.

This is episode 188 of the counselling tutor podcast.

Rory and myself are delighted that you've joined us today.

And in this episode, three different topics starting off with our student check-in

where we kind of visit some of the

theory that you might cover on your counselling training course and we're going to be looking

at something of great interest to me today and that's dual process model of grief so we're

going to be digging into that then digital counseling revolution that's our next section where we recognize that technology

forms a part of how counseling is now consumed by our clients, delivered by our therapists.

And today we're going to be speaking about something vitally important because when we speak

about digital delivery, we also involve in that the telephone.

And we're speaking about attachment when working via telephone, specifically hidden attachment.

What do we have to consider?

And then we put our toe into practice matters where we look at an element of practice.

And today we are actually taking a peek into somebody else's practice.

And we've got Martin Smith, who's going to be

speaking about his practice in working with personality disorders. But let's kick us off with that

student check-in, dual process model of grief. Now, Rory, grief, this is something that presents

often within a counselling relationship because all of us experience

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