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The Grenfell Tower Inquiry Podcast

186 Ministry of Housing, Communities & Local Government

The Grenfell Tower Inquiry Podcast

BBC

News

4.8627 Ratings

🗓️ 4 March 2022

⏱️ 40 minutes

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Summary

This week the Inquiry heard from inside Whitehall, as two civil servants, Bob Ledsome and Anthony Burd, gave evidence. It was revealed that the All-Party Parliamentary Group on fire safety chased housing ministers 16 times about a promised revision to the building regulation guidance. And we heard about a briefing that was prepared a few days after the Grenfell Tower Fire, which described the department’s correspondence with this group as “appalling, delayed, partial and looks chaotic”. Presenter: Kate Lamble Producers: Sharon Hemans and Kristiina Cooper Researcher: Marcia Veiga Studio Mix: Gareth Jones Editor: Hugh Levinson

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to the Grenfell Tower Inquiry podcast with me Kate Lamble.

0:10.0

This is the first full week of evidence from inside Whitehall,

0:13.5

as civil servants gave an insight into how the government responded to warnings

0:17.1

about the dangers of combustible cladding materials.

0:20.3

And we heard that the all-party parliamentary group on fire safety chased housing ministers

0:25.1

16 times about a promised revision to the building regulation guidance.

0:30.3

A briefing prepared a few days after the Grenfell Tower fire found the department's correspondence

0:34.8

with this group was appalling, delayed and partial.

0:39.0

And, as Civil 7 said, he could see why people might think there was a cover-up

0:43.4

after the government failed to publish poorly performing cladding test results for more than a decade.

0:49.7

Let's get started with the evidence then.

0:51.8

This week, the inquiry laid out three big opportunities

0:54.9

for the government to clarify or tighten regulations before the Grenfell Tower fire.

1:00.3

The first was in 2001. Following two serious fires in the UK, where flames spread to the external

1:07.0

walls of a building, the government commissioned the building research establishment, or BRE, to carry out a series of tests on building materials. Large mock-ups of cladding systems

1:17.1

were set alight to see how they performed, and one of the materials tested was a panel made

1:22.2

up with thin sheets of aluminium, either side of a core of combustible polyethylene, the same type of panel

1:28.5

later installed on Grenfell Tower.

1:31.5

The material achieved the standard then suggested by building regulation guidance for use

1:36.0

on high-rise buildings, National Class Nort.

1:39.2

Lead Council to the inquiry Richard Millett read from the resulting report.

1:42.8

The results from the test to date show

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