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What I'd like to do, we have talked a lot about the children.

We haven't talked about the relationships at all.

And as Natasha so wisely said, when the kids are gone, you're going to just have each other.

And I think that's important.

So I put Natasha on the spot to come up with a good 30, 45 minutes of leading a discussion.

My biggest question is how to get a disbeliever to be empathetic with the perspective of a believer in vice versa.

And I don't know where you guys, if you guys are all there and you've nailed that,

what I tend to think is that in the way that this discussion has been going,

there's a lot of believers thinking, this makes you really uncomfortable.

I don't know how I'm ever going to feel comfortable with my spouse.

And I know that the disbelievers are suffering with similar things reciprocal.

So I'm going to give Natasha some time to address these things.

But before I do, I want to address Paul's question before we move on.

Well, I think my comment was going to be along the lines of where you're going.

I was just making an observation that, well, if you had two marriages where one marriage was a Presbyterian and a Lutheran,

and they went to church at the scale of American norms, which is not that often.

The issues of what's the nature of the Trinity are not going to be stressful in the marriage.

And if you had, on the other extreme, a marriage where it's Orthodox, Muslim,

race, an educated madrasa with an Orthodox Jew, then religious issues are going to be extremely stressful

when it comes to observing the use of electricity on the Sabbath and so forth.

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