Welcome to How Leaders Lead, where every week you get to listen in while I interview some of the very best leaders in the world.

I break down the key learning so that by the end of the episode, you'll have something simple you can apply as you develop into a better leader.

That's what this podcast is all about.

You know, leadership can be tough. It can be thrilling.

It can be fun. But it should never, ever, ever be boring. And I can guarantee you my guest today

will back me up on that. In this episode, I'm talking with Hal Rosenbluth. He's currently the chairman and CEO

of New Ocean Health Solutions. And he's had an incredible career, building and selling successful

companies in the travel and healthcare spaces. And at every step, he's looking for ways to challenge

the status quo. That ability to push boundaries and ask questions is the key

to his success. If you want to make sure you're not playing things too safe in your world as a leader,

you definitely want to keep listening. Here's my conversation with my good friend and soon to be

yours, Hal Rosenblumlee.

I want to start at the beginning.

What's a story from your childhood that shaped the kind of leader you are today?

Well, it might be a little unusual.

I really had more negative role models than I had positive role models.

So I learned not only what I didn't want to be as a leader, but also how I could affect people in a very positive way from those negative experiences.

Yeah, I understand you once taught your eighth grade

English class for three full days. What did that experience teach you about leadership?

Obviously, you didn't think much of the teacher. You had to take over the class.

We were learning poetry. And, you know, it's basically classical poetry. And we all seem kind of bored.

And she made, you know, the mistake of saying, well, if anybody thinks they can teach his class better

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