Welcome to the counselling tutor podcast. The must listen to podcast for students of counselling and

psychotherapy. Here are your hosts, Rory Lee's Oaks and Ken Kelly. Hi, I'm Rory and with me as always is

Ken. How are you doing Ken? Exceptionally happy to be here. This is episode 183 of the Counseling Tutor podcast. We are both delighted that you have joined us.

And we're going to be looking at three different topics today, starting with our student check-in, where we take something that a student is likely to come across during their

training journey. And today we're going to be speaking about keeping in the client's frame of

reference, not behind the client, not in front of them, keeping in their frame of reference. And I think

that's going to apply also to our qualified colleagues as well, a nice revisit of that. We then jump

into digital counselling revolution where we're going to be speaking about choosing a video background.

If you're working via video technology when you're counseling, what's behind you? What does that look like?

And then we're going to be going into practice matters where we take something that would come up in the

day-to-day running of a counselling practice for our qualified practitioners. And we've got Emily

Mitchell, who's going to be speaking to us with Rory today about research in online counseling. And that's

what that is telling us. So we start off with our student

checking, keeping in the client's frame of reference, Rory. I think we start by what is a frame

of reference? Well, a frame of reference is how we view the world. So one of the things I would do

when I used to be training counsellors many years ago is get two of the students

to look out of a window and I would say to them out of the window of the classroom and I'd say

just be just on your own just make notes of what you can see and then I'd sit them down and I'd say

what do you see and usually what would happen is they would the two of them would see different

things they're looking out of the same window but they're seeing different things and that is frame of reference it's it's it's it's a phenomenal

logical process in that we we can we can have the same literal literally the same experience or the same

being the same position but the person next to us has a different

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