I'm Alice and I'm Brett and this is the prosecutor's legal briefs.

I'm your host, Alice, and I'm joined as always by my re-examined co-host Brett. Always re-examine. You need to have a examined life, Alice, and sometimes

you need an independent person to take an examination of you. And it's always good to get a third

party's view. That's a good point you raise there. You know, words have meaning. When you say

independent, you know, what exactly qualifies as independent, especially you guys probably know what we're

talking about? We covered the Ellen Greenberg case many years ago on our other podcast, the prosecutors.

And since that time, there has been a lot of back and forth in the courts.

You may have remembered that Ellen died from dozens of stab wounds to her body.

And the question is whether she inflicted them on herself or if someone else inflicted them

on her because one of them is suicide and one of them is homicide.

That is a very big question that has been up and down in the courts.

And most recently, the courts asked, the courts asked, or no, they settled outside the court.

They settled. I'm sorry. There was a civil lawsuit with lots of lawsuits. I'm sorry. There's so many.

We've done updates on them. Ellen's parents and the city settled outside of court for a re-examination, an independent

examination of the cause of death. And we now have the, it's not even the second report,

third, fourth, fifth report of Ellen's cause of death.

And spoiler alert, it's probably not surprising, given that this reexamination was done by Philadelphia,

the Philadelphia Medical Examiner's Office, that they have reaffirmed that this was a suicide. And so we're going to talk a little bit about

the report, what it means, what's next, all that good stuff. The first thing I want to say about this

before we even get into it, because I think you have to address the elephant in the room, which we've

already identified, and that's that this reexamination of the evidence was conducted by the Philadelphia Medical Examiner's Office.

The current medical examiner, who is not the same medical examiner, who originally considered this case.

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