Welcome to the Making Sense Podcast. This is Sam Harris. Okay, some housekeeping today.

So I want to clear up a little confusion about the difference between waking up my meditation

app and this podcast making sense and also talk about how I see them interacting going

forward. The podcast, as many of you know, was originally called waking up and why that

was, I have no idea. I had written a book by that title and apparently I just felt I had

run out of titles. And so for the first hundred episodes or so, that's what the podcast

was called. And then I realized I wanted to release a meditation app, which was a direct

descendant of the book and waking up was obviously the perfect title for that. And it really

had never been the best name for the podcast. So we renamed the podcast Making Sense at that

point, which was a much better name for it, given the diversity of topics I touch here.

But the net result is that many people are still confused about what the podcast is called.

And when someone refers to the waking up app online, many people think they're talking

about the podcast. And this confusion is compounded because I've now opened a separate conversation

track in the app, which is essentially a new podcast on topics more narrowly focused

on meditation and the nature of mind and ethics and generally what it means to live

an examined life. And to make matters worse, sometimes one of these conversations seems

worth airing both on the app and on the podcast, like the one on psychedelics with Roland Griffiths

or on addiction and craving with Justin Brewer. So I occasionally do that. And this is also

confusing. And even if the conversation is just on the waking up app, making sense podcast

subscribers get access to those conversations when they're logged into my website. So I understand

why some of you don't know what the hell I'm up to over here. First waking up and making

sense really are separate endeavors, despite the occasional sharing of content. So the basic

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