180. The Only European Leader Defying Trump? (Pedro Sánchez)

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🗓️ 16 March 2026

⏱️ 77 minutes

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Why is Prime Minister Sánchez such an outlier in challenging Trump on everything from military spending to Gaza? What’s behind Spain’s recent economic success? How is Spain tackling the rising far-right? What are Pedro Sánchez’s lessons for Keir Starmer? Alastair and Rory are joined by Pedro Sánchez, Prime Minister of Spain, to answer all this and more. Search IG.com to find out more and/or Look for IG in your app store. Join The Rest Is Politics Plus: Start your free trial at therestispolitics.com to unlock exclusive bonus content – including Rory and Alastair’s miniseries – plus ad-free listening, early access to episodes and live show tickets, an exclusive members’ newsletter, discounted book prices, and a private chatroom on Discord. Social Producer: Celine Charles Video Editor: Lorcan Moullier + James Clayden Producer: Alice Horrell Senior Producer: Nicole Maslen Head of Politics: Tom Whiter Exec Producers: Tony Pastor + Jack Davenport Advertise with us: Partnerships@goalhanger.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:13.2	The Iran war. We're facing a witnessing of all these international order based on rules.
0:19.8	Real allies are like real friends. They tell each other
0:23.2	the truth, no matter what. When it comes to our relationship with the US, I mean, we want to
0:29.3	keep that transatlantic bond. But if you go into the details, what you see is that we have
0:35.8	an open trade war, which was open unilaterally by the US administration.
0:40.3	I do believe that Europe needs to be a force of good, because our enemies, what they want is to have a more fragmented Europe.
0:48.3	You're one of a very, very small number of left-to-center leaders. I know Britain, sadly, is not in the European Union, but what would you like to see the UK do? I would like to definitely to have the UK on board again.
0:58.7	I think that the framework has changed because of Brexit. But on the other hand, I think that
1:03.3	societies can make mistakes. And I think it was a mistake for the UK to live the European Union.
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