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forward slash cosmic skeptic. So welcome back to the cosmic skeptic podcast everybody I'm Alex O'Connor your

host and I'm joined today by the wonderful the illustrious the prolific earthling Ed

real name Ed Winters and recent author of

this is vegan propaganda and other lies that the meat industry tells you.

Ed, welcome back to our first, I think, repeat guest on the podcast.

I haven't done that many episodes, but it's been quite a while since we last spoke.

We spoke I think in 2019 and that was just after I gave up animal products and so I was kind of

new to the whole thing and it was a bit of an inquiry into the

vegan position. I like to think I've learned a thing or two since then about this

movement. I think you definitely have. But it's also raised quite a lot of

questions about the specificities of veganism and kind of

particular questions about how we should go about advocating or living out a vegan lifestyle.

But I think because of the fact that there will be people watching

who haven't seen our first podcast

and maybe are unfamiliar with your work,

I think it would be a good place to start to talk about

veganism generally. You're not going to do the story of how you became vegan because you've

done that a hundred thousand times already, but what I do want to talk about is in your

view to be clear with our terms what veganism is what it is that

you're actually advocating people do I guess like a definitional starting point so yeah

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