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The big news this week is Ukraine's use of UAVs, unmanned aerial vehicles or drones, to strike targets deep inside Russia, including two military airfields and an oil facility.

We'll also be discussing reports that the Ukrainians have made an amphibious landing on the

strategically important Kim Byrne spit, and possibly even more significant, reports that the

West would back peace talks if Putin's forces withdrew to all territory held on the eve of war.

Our guest this week is veteran journalist and defence analyst Robert Fox.

Now, I first came across Foxy and the Falklands.

We were both there together as war correspondents.

And we were both also on the telegraph together.

We're all mates.

We've done a lot of war corresponding

side-by-side in various theatres. Believe it or not, Foxy is actually originally an Italian expert.

He's an expert on Italian literature, but his knowledge is very vast, as we'll be hearing,

about all sorts of things. He's now a member of the International Institute for Strategic Studies.

He's got excellent contacts with the British military, so he'll be giving us an assessment later of Britain's contribution to the war

in Ukraine, what might happen next and what the conflict tells us about the future of warfare.

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