179. The Best of Times, The Worst of Times
Outrage + Optimism: The Climate Podcast
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🗓️ 24 November 2022
⏱️ 78 minutes
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“It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of light, it was the season of darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair.” Charles Dickens, A Tale of Two Cities
Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue on building a sustainable future.
In this episode, co-hosts Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac, and Paul Dickinson give their concluding thoughts on COP27, followed by Tom’s interview with Rory Stewart OBE FRSGS FRSL一former Conservative cabinet minister, diplomat, soldier, author, academic, charitable entrepreneur, and podcaster一a true polymath if there ever was one.
We close the episode with music from British singer-songwriter L.A. Salami and his captivating single, “Desperate Times, Mediocre Measures.”
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| 0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to Outrageant Optimism, I'm Tom Rificana. |
| 0:15.6 | I'm still Cristiana Pigueras. |
| 0:17.3 | And I'm always pulled against them. |
| 0:18.9 | This week we do a mock-up for what happened at COP27 in Charmel Shake with issues covering |
| 0:23.5 | loss and damage, 1.5 degrees, fossil fuel language in the text, plus we speak to Rory Stewart, |
| 0:29.6 | former Minister for International Development of the UK and host of the hip podcast, The |
| 0:33.8 | Rest is Politics. |
| 0:35.1 | Plus, we have music from L.A. Salami with a very appropriate song title. |
| 0:39.9 | Thanks for being here. |
| 0:45.7 | OK, so this is the third time I think we've covered off what's been going on at COP, but |
| 0:50.1 | this is the wrap-up episode. |
| 0:52.1 | Charmel Shake, the COP finished. |
| 0:54.1 | I think it was the second longest ever COP it finished sometime on Sunday morning |
| 0:59.4 | after 36 hours, 3 a.m. after all of this, 3 a.m. followed by lots and lots of country |
| 1:05.4 | statements. |
| 1:06.4 | There were so many photos of Jennifer Morgan asleep in all the global news. |
| 1:11.1 | I've never seen a sort of celebrity for being asleep, the German climate change negotiator. |
| 1:15.2 | And we should clarify, she wasn't asleep most of the time, she achieved an enormous |
| 1:18.4 | amount, maybe we'll cover that. |
| 1:19.6 | But where should we start? |
| 1:20.6 | There's so much to talk about. |
| 1:22.0 | There were few women, in fact, few people who worked as hard as Jennifer. |
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