Welcome back. I'm Greg McEwen, your host, and I am here with you on this journey to learn

so that we can make a higher contribution personally and professionally. What is happening

to the psychological safety of people at work? Is it going up? Is it going down? What

is the primary threat to it today? And is it the same as what we had 20 years ago? Well,

to discuss this and other questions. I've invited back Dr. Amy Edmondson. She's a celebrated

Harvard professor, one of the best listeners that I have ever interviewed. She's present,

she's real, and by the end of this episode, you're going to be more empowered to be able

to create psychological safety in a world that sometimes seems to be attacking it. Let's

begin.

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so that you can engage more richly and more deeply and get more out of it.

Did you say something a moment ago that I don't want to miss? And that was this idea that

well, the way I read it and you can correct me was that you are concerned that there has

been this relatively new phenomenon in organizations where people can expect what you described

safe spaces where nothing can be said that would offend me on any series of subjects.

And I just want you to just drill into that because I think some advocates for that would

be saying, well, this is for psychological safety, but there's another darker side to

it as far as I can see because if you go back to that original definition, permission

for a candor, you must be willing to risk some level of offense in order to be able to

have a conversation. And if you can't have a conversation, well, it's not only that the

team can't learn, you can't learn, you can't even think without being able to do it.

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