Hello and work, hello, yeah. Hello and welcome to Under the Skin from Luminary. This week I spoke with Elizabeth Burton Phillips. I'm Russell by the way.

Lizzie's founder of the charity Drug Fam. Drug Fam work with families, friends and partners affected by someone else's addiction, including those bereaved by addiction.

But also people, you know, we've got active addicts alive in their families or in this circle, friends or whatever.

You can listen to, I really like this bit I've chosen. Why did we choose it, Jen? Because it might help some people.

Because it made help some people. Here's some advice for people. Yeah, this bit is good actually. This is advice for people in active addiction.

And what do you do when people don't take advice? So this is like, you know, this is a really good clip for any of you that are dealing with someone with addiction right now.

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So yeah, I've listened to me talking to Liz. Did you enjoy the conversation generally? Not really listening.

I was listening. She's nice. You reminded me of my mum.

I've met your mum. Do you think I'm right? No. Why? I don't think she's like your mum. Your mum is a lovely woman.

I'm no one's blaming her for what happened. No one's holding your mother responsible for the appalling way that you...

...polling choices you've made in life.

Anyway, should we read out? Should I read out some comments? Why don't you read the comments?

I don't know. Because you like to read them. You read them.

Yeah, and you're reacting to them as you're listening to.

Here's one from Subtract. In the Midwest, USA, like to say, Joel Bakker. Joel Bakker was a super smart, brilliant analysis of capitalism, corporatism,

...flamp fro capitalism, the way that big corporations behave in these days. Subtract go, in the Midwest, USA, all local governments are becoming privately owned by corporate entities for profit, no rules, no oversight, no regulation.

Well, I mean, mate. That's terrifying. How's that happening?

Or Wellian dreams? Who are these people you've picked? They're all like radicals.

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