Hello everyone and welcome to another edition of Mormon Stories podcast. I am your host for today, Dr. John Delin.

It is March 17th,

2023 and we're back for day two with the world's foremost expert on cults.

Dr. Stephen Hassan, Stephen, we wore you out yesterday and your voice is groggy. What's going on?

I just woke up with a cough, but I'm COVID negative and I'm really excited to do today and

the talks to thrive and our workshop on Sunday. So I'm going to

tonnably just bear down and get through it and do my best. I think the Mormons are wearing you out

in a minute. I don't think so. I just think I need to sleep and rest a little bit more.

Well, we're so honored to have you and Samantha, we're so happy to have you back for another day.

Thank you. Samantha is the co-owner of the Self on the Shelf YouTube channel and she also does

coaching for people in transition, life coaching, spirituality, post-religion kind of stuff

at SamanthaShellycoaching.com within EY. Is that right? Yeah. And Stephen, really quickly,

I want to begin by promoting all your amazing work. So the book that we're basically going to

be drawing for most today is combating cult mind control by Dr. Stephen Hassan. We're going to be

talking about principles found in this book. There's a second book that I consider to be kind of

a companion book to the first, which is Freedom of Mind Helping Loved Ones, Leave Controlling People,

cults and beliefs. Your website is freedomofmind.com. That's where you can find what I think is the most

valuable thing to date you offer, which is a nine hour training on the foundations of cults

and cult recovery. Right. And you can find that on freedomofmind.com. Yep. And you can support Stephen's

work by also obtaining that workshop or something. If you want doing the workshop,

leading the books and just trying to get the word out around the world that undo influences real

and how to recover from it, how to protect your loved ones, how to help others. Because I think

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