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The Michael Shermer Show

174. Jordan Peterson — Beyond Order: 12 More Rules for Life

The Michael Shermer Show

Michael Shermer

Dialogue, Science, Reason, Michaelshermer, Natural Sciences, Skeptic

4.4921 Ratings

🗓️ 20 April 2021

⏱️ 169 minutes

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Summary

Join Michael Shermer and Jordan Peterson (bestselling author of 12 Rules for Life) for this extraordinary conversation based on Peterson’s new book Beyond Order. After working for decades as a clinical psychologist and a professor at Harvard and the University of Toronto, Peterson has become one of the world’s most influential public intellectuals. His YouTube videos and podcasts have gathered a worldwide audience of hundreds of millions, and his global book tour reached more than 250,000 people in major cities across the globe. What is it that gives Peterson’s message such mass appeal?

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0:00.0

You're listening to The Michael Sherman Show.

0:07.0

Welcome to the Michael Sherman Show.

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I'm your host Michael Sherman.

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Before I introduce today's guests who is Jordan Peterson, we have

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two sponsors for this episode. First is a site called Ground News. It's an app on

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your phone, you just touch the app and it opens up to whatever the

0:24.3

leading headline stories are of the day. And it gives you not just the stories, but a bunch of

0:29.9

different sites for the stories. And it ranks them based on political orientation

0:36.2

or bias, either left leaning or its right leaning or its centrist. For example, here's

0:40.9

one on Biden tells lawmakers he's open to compromise on U.S.

0:44.8

infrastructure a package and you can see the sources there are leaning more red than blue or

0:50.8

centrist. Here's another one. Austrian government decides than Blue or Centrist.

0:52.5

Or here's another one.

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Austrian government decides to buy Russian Sputnik B vaccine,

0:58.4

Chancellor says.

1:00.9

And FedEx shooting, the FedEx shooting.

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The FedEx shooting is pretty balanced there, left and right, mostly center, so that's good.

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The purpose for this site that I find useful is that here's my typical day. I subscribe to the

1:15.6

Wall Street Journal, the New York Times, oh sorry that's the Los Angeles Times, my

1:22.2

New York Times hasn't arrived yet today and

1:24.8

even the Santa Barbara Star News. Okay that's just four papers for which I got to grind through

1:29.6

and try to figure out what's going on because I know that the biases on the Wall Street

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