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We're talking about instant cameras.

Thank you for doing that because I was like, oh, I don't want any corruption.

I was just saying how I started and locked down. I started just buying instant cameras and just taking photos because I knew I wouldn't be able to get them developed until afterwards.

It was a great way that at the end to take all these instant cameras and then just look back on that time. Then I also really liked that it was a form of documentation that removed me from my phone.

It's like you're saying about that there's something really tangible about film and in the way it captures the light.

I like that it just then captures these in between moments that are never as constructed as a camera.

Also because you don't see the output until afterwards and you're relinquishing a lot of control.

You are. There's no color correction. There's no face control.

You just have that tiny little lens, especially because I could get a nicer film camera.

But I purposely choose to stick just to the instant ones because I like that there's like a grittiness and just a lack of quality about them.

Also, if you lose it, it's not especially because I travel a lot and I'm always on the move and just having a little thing I can just throw in a bag and I'm not worried if I lose it.

Obviously, it's not nice to lose the film.

But it's not like, oh my God, how am I ever going to get another one right now and all that stuff and all my lenses? All of that.

Me and Tuck, I have a hard enough time just keeping track of my phone when it comes to cameras.

I do travel with nice cameras sometimes and it's always a very terrifying process.

At any moment, this is going to fall off a cliff.

Speaking of your travel stuff, we were just talking during the break a little bit about your creative directing work.

I was wondering when that started.

It started to kind of in tandem with my production in nightlife of events.

That makes sense.

That and then also with the masks because once I started making masks, I would just reach out to photographers and to designers and be like, hey, I want to shoot with you.

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