A single theme is too narrow for great minds and daring hearts.

Get ready to enter the lion heart with your host, Lawrence Dunning.

It's so great to see you. See you too, Lawrence. So it seems like with your podcasting stuff,

your branding, you know you're in comedy, you're very entrepreneurial. Have you always been an

entrepreneur? By not by self-description. I was just thinking the other day that it's been 20 years or so, 20, 23 years since I

have worked for anyone else.

And I think it just never appealed to me to be boxed into a certain job.

And I am a creature of habit.

I do to find something and work on it and hone it.

But I feel like I wanted to be, I wanted to be in control of the quality, of the outcome,

of the assignment.

And so I didn't think of it as entrepreneurship. I thought of it as

working for hire. And then as I started to build companies where there were employees and there

was a C-suite in one of my companies where got to its kind of biggest size, I started to realize that I can shape a business to be what I wanted to be.

And when I started doing podcasting,

that became an entrepreneurial effort in that building a show.

It's kind of a solitary effort in many ways.

And I started talking to a lot of entrepreneurs. And when I was interviewing entrepreneurs,

I realized, oh, yeah, I'm an entrepreneur too, because that's me, what they're doing. They're

taking risks. They're rocking the boat. They're challenging the status quo and they're doing things a different way.

Yeah. So when you started, Hirsch, was it tough to pay the bills? Because I feel like that's the biggest hurdle for people.

If they're stuck in doing some type of job that's tied to a paycheck that's guaranteed, as soon as you get past a certain age, you have responsibilities and bills, that the hardest, even if they don't like it and they maybe have an idea and they

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