Hi, I'm Stella O'Malley, a psychotherapist in Ireland.

And I'm Sasha Ayyad, an adolescent therapist in the United States.

And this is Gender, a wider lens, a podcast dedicated to the shifting concepts around gender in our contemporary culture.

Through in-depth interviews, personal stories, and psychological exploration, we seek to open up the discourse around this hot button issue.

Join us as we look at gender from a wider lens.

So we're here for a special brief episode of gender wider lens and we're here for a special brief episode of Gender A Wider Lens and we're joined by journalist Lisa Selen Davis to talk a little bit about this kind of unfolding scandal in the last couple of weeks.

So Lisa, can you briefly introduce yourself?

Yes, you said my name.

I'm Lisa Salin Davis.

I'm working on a book, The Story of the Youth Gender Culture War.

And so generally I'm looking at how these ideas got here, but this week we've really seen a new level of

information about how these ideas about gender got institutionalized in ways that may sound

to the uninitiated like a conspiracy theory, but it's actually true.

Yeah, I find myself saying that a lot.

So, can you just lay out?

I mean, there are lots of moving parts here,

and so our goal today is to simplify and just communicate as

succinctly as we can what has happened for the uninitiated so can you kind of

help us understand what has happened in the last week?

What have we discovered?

Yes. We'll start with Alabama enacted a ban, passed a ban on what we call gender affirming care and also criminalizing it.

And they were sued by various parties and as a result of that suit W Path, the World Professional Association

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