Hey, guys, just wanted to let you know. This has been a bit of an unusual week for a number of reasons, and we weren't able to tape a B-side today, but we do have a main episode, which you're going to hear right now.

The following podcast contains explicit language.

Hello, and welcome to our national conversation about conversations about race.

The weekly podcast where we discuss the ways we can't talk, don't talk, would rather not talk,

but intermittently, fitfully, embarrassingly do talk about culture, identity, politics, power, and privilege in our pre-post yet still very racial America.

You could say all that or just call this show about race.

I'm Anna Holmes and joining me from the Panoply Studios in Brooklyn are Raquel Sepeda, author

of Bird of Paradise, How I Became Latina.

Hey, how are you?

Hey.

I feel weird saying, how are you on the day like today?

Yeah, I'm despondent, angry.

Yeah.

And Abby, I can't even articulate how I feel.

I'm so fucking pissed off.

Yeah.

Also joining us is Erin Carmon, reporter, and the author of The Notorious R.BG, the Life and Times of Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

Erin, welcome.

Thank you so much.

Right now, I feel numb.

Earlier today, I cried.

Yeah.

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