All right, well, welcome back to Irreligiouspy. We got a great week this week. We got two guests this time.

Yes, yes, and despite all efforts otherwise, they actually stayed on board to listen to us.

This is take three, I think, maybe four.

Yeah, yeah. Now normally we're a little more

professional all that is i'm not sure that's probably the point

anyway who we all have on tap right now is uh... peter rollins and a del saecler now a del we've had on previously but uh...

peters uh... kind of a new twist and i know charlies were excited about this

because uh... peter is actually a philosopher.

Right, I have an undergraduate bachelor's science degree in philosophy with an emphasis on ancient Greek philosophy and ethics,

which I believe does not make you more ethical, it just allows

you to better rationalize your unethical behavior.

Yes.

All right, well, how about we get started here with both of you introducing yourself?

Either if you want to go first?

Pete, you go first.

Okay, thank you.

Yeah, my name is Pete.

I'm 36 years old and what would you like to know about me?

What's your educational background first?

Ah, yeah. I have a degree in scholastic philosophy,

master's in political theory and social criticism,

and a PhD dealing with post-structural theory,

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