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Hello and welcome to the B-side for episode 16 of our national conversation about

conversations about race, the

diversity drinking game episode.

I'm Raquel Sepeda here with my co-discussing Tanner.

What up, Tanner?

Hello, Raquel.

And joining us again this week is...

He's not a shook one.

I'll give you a hint.

The Jamil Smith, Senior Editor at New Republic.

Yep, yep, exactly.

And host of Intersection.

Thank you.

One of my favorite new podcasts where I don't even know how.

Tell me, how do you interview, like I said, four people in like 37 minutes?

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