Welcome back to State of the Workflow. On this episode, I'm welcoming John Gruber to the show.

John is the writer behind Daring Fireball, a very influential blog that covers technology but mostly

focused on Apple. John has been writing at Daring Fireball since 2002, and in the last 23 years,

has become very influential both to Apple themselves, but also to the community around

them. This is because of the quality and thoughtfulness of the work he produces.

John is not afraid of sharing his opinions on any subject, and this can make waves.

In this episode, I want to focus on how John thinks about his work at Daring Fireball,

and also how he does it. Let's get on with the show.

All right, John, I want to get started by asking, what device in your life is the most important

to you? My MacBook, bro, without question. You know, I hoped you were going to say that.

Because on the last episode, I spoke to Austin Evans, and he picked an iPhone, and I had people say to me, everyone's just going to pick an iPhone. And I thought, I'm going to have John on. And I know he's going to say his Mac. And that's what I hoped. So what MacBook is it? MacBook Pro maxed out. I think that came out in 2021. I bought it pretty much right after it came out and I got

one to review and was like, yeah, this is what I was waiting for. I use it every day. I don't know if

it's the longest I've ever owned a MacBook. I guess not because when I was younger, budgetary

concerns would have me stretch them out longer or going back further there was time like in the early years at daring

fireball i had a desktop computer and when it came out an 11-inch macbook air that i used for travel

that i loved but would not have wanted to use as my sole machine hooked up to a display. But I am in a weird position that very

few people are, and I love it, but I get to review new computers every couple months. And so I've

reviewed and used the other new MacBook pros, M2, M3, M4. And the M4 last fall, I was like, ah, I should upgrade.

And it was the matte display, nanotexture, which is amazing.

And I have the nanotexture studio display in my office.

And in my office, I've written about this during Fireball, the way the sun comes,

mainly in the fall and spring,

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