Good day. My name is H.B. Charles Jr., pastor of the Shiloh Metropolitan Baptist Church in Jacksonville, Florida.

I am also the author of the books on preaching

and on pastoring, and I am the host of the On Preaching Podcast. It is my joy to have this conversation

with my friend and brother Dr. Derek Thomas. Thank you for sharing this time with us.

Thank you. It's such an honor to be back here. I spoke here at a conference. I've gone what it's called now, but... Cutting it straight.

Cutting it straight.

But it's wonderful to be back.

And you of course preached for me when I was the senior minister at First Press, Columbia, three, four, five times.

I have.

And you're there in a couple of weeks.

Yes, sir.

So this is a great providence.

And then we've met at Ligonier and at John McArthur's and other places.

So it's good to be back with you.

Good to be with you.

So for those who may not know you, they may be listening or watching this, tell us a little

bit about your background.

I grew up in Britain, in Wales.

Social historians will tell you that the generation that came back from the Second World War,

namely my parents,

identified with the church but never went.

So my mother identified with an Anglican church and my father identified with a congregational church, but I have no memory of them ever going.

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