I'm comfortable getting to the point where they can push me till I pass out or they kill me or something,

but I'll be PJ if I'm not mistaken.

Is that right?

Yeah, I'm actually still currently a reservist.

So I guess former PJ, but still kind of hanging in there on the weekends.

Great. And you run a company that I don't think a lot of people have heard of to be

honest but you do a lot of like super cool

shit operator solutions but we'll get into that later. First let's talk about

how you got started in the Air Force like how what was it that made you join in the first place?

Yeah, so there's probably a lot of people around my age group.

I'm 40 years old that were, you know, either in high school or getting ready to

graduate around the time the towers fell and that was certainly the case for me.

I was, you know, in a little pogunk and I had no idea what I wanted to do when I graduated

had an older brother that joined the Marine Corps. The towers fell when I was a

junior in high school and so at that point I decided I wanted to serve my country and I asked my older brother who was a marine, you know, what I should do and he was

he was stuck in like some really shitty area in Kuwait or something he says hey

man whatever you do you know don't don't join the Marine Corps it's like he's join the Air Force, man, I love you.

You know, I want the best for you, and these Air Force guys got it made,

so I joined the Air Force.

So I went to the recruiter and I asked him, you know,

hey, I'm kind of competitive.

My brother's about a year, year and a half older than me.

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