167 - Dawn of the Detransitioner Lawsuits, with Josh Payne
Gender: A Wider Lens
Sasha Ayad and Stella O'Malley
4.6 • 961 Ratings
🗓️ 7 June 2024
⏱️ 66 minutes
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Summary
In this episode, Sasha and Stella welcome lawyer, Josh Payne, co-founder of Campbell Miller Payne, a law firm dedicated to representing individuals who were misled and abused – many as children – into psychological and physical harm through a false promise of “gender-affirming care.” Campbell Miller Payne is committed to its mission to speak up for these victims, assert their rights, and pursue justice.
This is a conversation about various legal challenges faced by detransitioners, such as issues with informed consent, systemic healthcare problems, and the experimental nature of many treatments. The discussion emphasizes the vulnerability of clients, the lack of comprehensive care addressing underlying mental health issues, and the need for cautious medical practices, underscoring the importance of seeking justice for those affected and advocating for more responsible treatment alternatives to gender-affirming care.
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| 0:00.0 | Hi, I'm Stella O'Malley, a psychotherapist in Ireland. |
| 0:04.4 | And I'm Sasha Ayyad, an adolescent therapist in the United States. |
| 0:08.6 | And this is Gender, a wider lens, a podcast dedicated to the shifting concepts around gender in our contemporary culture. |
| 0:16.0 | Through in-depth interviews, personal stories, and psychological exploration, we seek to open up the discourse around this hot button issue. |
| 0:25.0 | Join us as we look at gender from a wider lens. |
| 0:31.0 | Hi Stella, how's it going Sasha? How's life? Life is good. We have been wanting to get an attorney on to talk to us for a long time when we finally got to do that today with Josh Payne from Campbell Miller Payne. |
| 0:43.8 | It was an awesome conversation. |
| 0:45.9 | It felt like a really important conversation. |
| 0:48.2 | We work with so many detransitioners in the Beyond Trans Program with Jen Speck |
| 0:51.7 | where we give funding for therapy for detransitiners, |
| 0:53.9 | people have been harmed by medical transition. |
| 0:57.1 | And again and again and again people talk about the lawsuits and the detransitiners talk |
| 1:01.7 | about the lawsuits and they often sound quite defeated and deflated about it and I remember a lawyer telling me that you have to realize it's lawyer shopping |
| 1:09.9 | They need to realize that you you absorb all the options and when you hear Josh Payne speaking today you'll see this is just a legal challenge literally a challenge that some lawyers certainly Camper Miller |
| 1:26.0 | Payne is one of the firms that are going to take them that if they know what |
| 1:30.0 | they're talking about there are lots of opportunities there are lots of opportunities to take these |
| 1:34.2 | claims but you've got to know what you're doing and you've got to act fairly soon |
| 1:38.6 | really. Yeah and there was a moment where actually Josh shared a monumental piece of news with us for the first time. |
| 1:48.0 | So we definitely think this is a kind of a must listen. |
| 1:51.2 | If you're following all the news around gender medicine and everything that's |
| 1:55.0 | unfolded between the W Path Files and the KAS report and all of this back and forth, he shares a very, very important |
| 2:01.2 | piece of news with us. And we talk about a lot of things. |
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