Aging just snaps, it's like a stress or trauma response.

We're kind of snapped right back to it.

And so I do think we have to reframe it, right?

We have to go back to, am I defining beauty the way the world does or the way the word does?

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So, Erin, we've talked kind of repeatedly you and I about the fact that there's a bit of an age

gap between us, which we love because we bring different perspectives to each other. And then with Viv as

well, she's kind of in between us. And that's amazing. You know, we've got a good 20, 30 years in

between you and me. How does the whole topic of aging hit you? Do you ever feel like, oh my goodness,

I'm getting old? Or is that just something I feel?

Well, so I will be 37 by the time this podcast comes out. Celebrating my birthday. And it's a conversation that I've had with a few of my friends because a lot of women my age are starting to do things to

prevent aging, doing different procedures. And I have this

like peer pressure met with age gracefully check in my spirit, you know? And I'm like, I don't know

what is putting vanity as an idol. And I just want to say, too, that the older I get,

gosh, the less big of a deal it is to me and the more it is my context. I forget about it

until I look at the mirror and see some lumpy bumpy thing, spotty waddy, something. But, you know,

besides that, I feel so much freer having passed a

certain threshold to just be myself. In this conversation, we're going to be talking with Heather

Creekmore. And Heather, you have just written a devotional on aging gratefully, which is a really

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