#166: Why is Shaping So Hard?, Pt. 2

Drinking From the Toilet: Real dogs, Real training

Drinking from the Toilet: Real Dogs, Real Training

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🗓️ 16 November 2022

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

In this episode, we discuss why we often consider shaping to be an advanced technique, why I think it doesn’t have to/shouldn’t be that way, why I think how many of us first learned about shaping is contributing to the problem, how the expectations we have around shaping (based on how we were taught) might be getting in the way of doing good training, the two expectations that can get in the way: that shaping is linear and that it should be spontaneous, changing how we think about shaping to consider the whole ABC contingency can allow us to do better training without having to struggle so much, how you can set yourself and your dog up for success and it is still shaping!, there is no cheating in shaping as long as you are being honest with yourself (and your dog), setting up for success means a lot more than just training in a low distraction environment, the shaping staircase is a great model for teaching someone about the concept of successive approximation, but it is limiting in real life application, consider building behaviors from components, the first “step” in your shaping plan may look nothing like the final behavior and it might even seem to be farther away from your goal than where you are now!

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0:00.0	If you feel like shaping is super hard, maybe examine some of your beliefs around your expectations
0:07.6	that shaping should be linear and that it should be spontaneous.
0:11.6	Pull some attention to how you're designing your shaping plan, how you're designing your
0:17.0	training sessions, and how might you break your goal behavior into components that
0:21.3	may not look like they're connected to each other.
0:42.8	You're listening to drinking from the toilet.
0:49.1	If you like to geek out about combining the science of behavior with positive reinforcement philosophy in real life, you've come to the right place.
0:54.7	And I'm your host, Hannah Branigan, teacher, trainer, podcaster, and author of the book, Awesome Obedience,
1:00.2	and its companion Awesome Obedience, The Field Guide, which are both available from clickertraining.com.
1:07.0	Okay, this is at least the fourth time that I have recorded this episode. I almost don't care anymore,
1:13.1	but I do care because I love this subject so much, but I, you know, I don't consider myself to be a superstitious person. I mean, except for one, I kind of am. But I swear this episode
1:19.3	has been cursed. Maybe, maybe the information is, is too good and it's being suppressed. I don't
1:26.4	know. But I'm going to power through it.
1:29.0	This time you're going to hear it. I'm now on a brand new microphone. It seems to be functioning as
1:33.5	it should so far. I mean, like, come on, microphone. You have one job. So hopefully this will do it.
1:39.8	All right. Enrollment for zero to CD. My online membership program is officially full for this year we will
1:46.7	reopen again for enrollment in april of 2023 when it's messing with my head okay time's a construct
1:54.4	but we're going to go by the calendar as it is currently observed by the majority of humanity
1:59.3	unless or until there is some kind of
2:02.2	exciting wibbly wobbly shakeup as part of the next stage of the apocalypse.
2:07.0	But we can cross that bridge when we come to it.
2:09.0	So if you were looking to level up your training skills in the context of a long-term,
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