I dreamt that you were twisting through seven sons of gold and the gypsy was insisting

that his story must be told I came two in the morning but I took it as a warning That you might be a treasure

I could touch but never hold

Hi, good, whatever time of day it is wherever you are

And welcome to Soberful.

My name is Chip Summers

And unusually, I what? I was going to say, and I'm Veronica

Valley. Did you want me to jump on? Well, I was going to introduce you in a minute. I was going to,

I was because I was just about to say unusually today, I'm in charge and Veronica is the guest

because more than anything else today, we want to talk about the book that Veronica has

written and just launched. And so I will be in the chair and my guest today is Veronica Valley.

Welcome, Veronica. Thank you. Welcome. Welcome.

It's lovely to be here.

Yeah. So obviously, I know that you have written one book and you've written another one now and it's called Soberful, a way to a sustainable, fulfilling life, free of alcohol.

What made you want to write another book? Was there

something that pushed you towards writing another book? The other one was very good. I remember

reading it. So the book, yeah, the book dropped yesterday. So I'm really excited, really excited

to see what people think because I felt it was a book that was needed.

So I kind of put the five pillars of sobriety together a while ago because I felt that I was seeing that there was a lot of people who were stopping drinking.

And they weren't going to go to AA, and that was appropriate.

Lots of them didn't want to. Wasn't the right fit for them, whatever. But we're discovering that

when you stop drinking, there's more to be done than just the putting down alcohol. And I saw a lot of

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