Hello, Russell here. I'm excited to share some of my conversation with Tristan Harris. Tristan Harris is president and co-founder of the Center for Humane Technology.

His work on the Attention Economy started in 2014 when he created a side-to-side deck with Google that went viral, warning about the technology industry's arms race to capture human attention.

And the moral responsibility of companies is to a restructuring society and with their actions and warped excellence of their products.

Rolling Stone, magazine named Tristan, won a 25-people show in the world. You've got to have a listen to his podcast, Your Undivided Attention.

That's the one thing he asked us to do. So after you listen to this, please listen to that.

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So this isn't Tristan Harris now. This is a lovely extract towards the end of our conversation where we're talking about the sort of spiritual connotations of our, like, what is it that's missing in us? That's what I asked Tristan.

But we're so vulnerable to this technology.

Trying to achieve a quality with the annihilation of category is not a successful rule.

That's exactly right.

We're in this era where it turns out we were never the fastest.

That's the black night knowledge.

What's beneath the surface of people with my ideas that define our time, the history we're told?

Welcome to Russell Brand.

And this game.

What do you feel is absent in us. That means we are so susceptible to the evidently rather Machiavellian and brilliant techniques, necessarily employed by these tech companies.

What are we missing? What do we want?

Why is there this vacancy that is so efficiently filled by these facilities?

This is actually interesting when you connect the conversation around language that we're just having with this thing that you're pointing to, which is, I could easily say the answer to the question you just asked is connection.

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