thinking basketball podcast my name is Ben welcome back to another episode and today Cody we have some we have

some business to get to we have some business to get to we've we've had a lot of

people tell us that

Niekleokich, he's overrated.

We talk about him too much. I did this video on his on his passing and there's sort of this sense of like he's good he's good but he shouldn't be talked about so much and he's not really that good and other players who are good on offense in the past have

been significantly better and so you get this sort of like reluctant acceptance

of him being pretty good and then quickly we need to move on because he's already been talked about enough

because he's won two MVPs. On the flip side of the coin there's a question that we have batted around

on this show before that I think has been talked about on many of the other more hardcore

Podcasts that exist out there in the interwebs and that is can you win with his defense?

You know, what's going on with Denver's defense?

Denver keeps winning games, but their point differential isn't that good.

They don't seem to be constructed as a team that can really be, let's say,

dominant in the playoffs, right? It's more like when they got to the Western

Conference finals in the bubble, they were down three won in each series and they won in seven games and even

when you watch them this year you know they they've been at full health all of a sudden

again that Jamal Murray's getting the wheels back going,

Michael Porter is trying to get back in shape.

Bruce Brown is out there, KCP is that.

We'll talk about these guys, but even then

it doesn't feel like, hey, if Denver clicks,

they're going to be like a 70 win

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