Have you ever wondered what a sandwich sounds like?

Not much to it is there?

Unless of course, it's a walkers sandwich.

Mmm, that is good.

Now that's what Asani should sound like.

Go all crisp in with walkers.

Delicious.

In East Africa, why is a motorcycle taxi called a boda boda?

The answer to that at the end of the show.

My name's Tom Scott, and this is Lateral.

I didn't think this was going to be a live show today, but apparently it is, because I have accidentally plugged part of my desk into the mains.

At least it means I can guarantee some electrifying conversation.

So let's see what bright sparks we have joining us today, first, with his head in his hands.

I wasn't going to go to you first, Jay Foreman, but you reacted so badly

to that sequence of electricity puns that I thought I was getting some resistance from you.

So Jay Foreman, welcome back to the show.

Thank you so much for having me back. Do you know what I'm ashamed about? I actually really enjoyed every one of those puns.

That's shocking. It's myself I'm ashamed up. How are you doing, Jay? I'm doing really well, thank you. Thank you for having me back. You are here obviously as part of the Map Men, but I feel like you'd ask what else is going on in your life right now. What else are you working on? Matman has become something that's sort of taking over everything, because I don't know if I mentioned last time, but as well as the YouTube series, Mat Men, Matt Men has now become a book. So Mark and I have spent the last few months trying to make YouTube shows and trying to write a book at the same time with one hand on each typewriter. Which means I really should also introduce Mark Cooper Jones, who is clearly a lot more than the other half of the Matman, but please welcome

the other half of the Matman, Mark Cooper Jones. Thank you very much. I'm very happy with that.

I'm just glad to see that Jay has got a second use out of the arrow that he made to point of the

book. That's just, that's it. It's good, efficient use of props. Can I tell you what happened?

I put the book behind me and I thought, you know, it's perfectly subtle and it's perfectly acceptable to have your book in the background in a Zoom call. But because of my setup, there was nowhere subtle to put it. It just looked so obviously there on a plinth. And Mark thought, you know, you should make it look even sillier. So I used my best felt tip pen and make yourself an arrow. Well, thank you very much for both of you for coming back on the show. Mark, how was it for you last time? Do you know, I really enjoyed it. I think I would have, you know, in hindsight, I would have come on if I didn't have a book to promote. Well, also, as far as I know, without a book to promote, our last member of the team today from Looking Glass Universe, Mithina, Yoganathan, welcome back to the show. Thank you very much. Happy to be here. It will be a few months from recording to when this goes out. So can I ask, what are you working on right now? What's going to be in Looking Glass Universe by the time that our audience hear this? Nothing special. Oh, come on. Sell the show. No, Mithina, you know what you should do? It's a few months away. Just come up with a thing you want to do now, and then as soon as it said, you then have to do it. What better motivation could there be? I'm writing a book. No, you say, I've written a book. I'm joking. You sold that. I genuinely thought you were writing a book

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