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Hello and welcome to the B-side for episode 1636 of our national conversation about conversations about race.

Is Kaepernick kicking a hornet's nest?

I'm Anna Holmes here with Raquel Sepeda.

Hi, Anna. Looking at Rebecca Carroll,

as you say that, we don't all look like. No, I was just making sure I had pronounced your surname correctly because I had just, you know, I'd been practicing and then I was worried that I... No, it's all

good. It's all good. All right. You can correct me. I will. I will. Also joining us is Rebecca Carroll, who's the editor of special projects at W.N.Y.C., an opinion writer at The Guardian and Critic at Large for the LA Times.

Yes.

Hi.

Hi.

On our last episode, we discussed Donald Trump's visit to a black Detroit church.

Caught up on the controversy surrounding the Dakota Access Pipeline and the Native American

activists and others who were opposing it.

And we discussed the growing movement of athletes kneeling or sitting during the playing

of the national anthem during sporting events.

Here's our producer, A.C. Valdez, with some of what you all had to say.

So most of our listeners really wanted to talk about

our Colin Kaepernick conversation. I'm not surprised. From last week's show, which, yeah,

it doesn't surprise me either. People went in on Tanner pretty hard. We're going to get to those,

but before we do, I'm going to read this email, which is a little bit different than most of the

Kaepernick feedback we got.

This is from Nadine.

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