We've seen a big change in that more recently, which has been refreshing, that it's actually

more helpful to know that your therapist is a human who struggles. So that was also, I think,

part of the kind of motivation to write this, the way that we did.

Yeah, and Michaela, I don't know if you know this, but you and your whole story's in the book

is very personal. It's about your...

All the details?

All the details, because we have our client stories in it. So you're the last one, but you know,

if you get to the end, let me just tell your audience right now. It's Michaela at you.

Welcome to Episode 161 of my podcast. I'm Michaela Peterson. In this episode, I spoke with Vanessa

Bennett and John Kim, also known as the Angry Therapist. I met Vanessa in the spring of 2021

when I was taking care of my dad, and he was very ill, and I was also navigating a divorce,

and she helped bring in an outside perspective, because normally, when things are going wrong

in your life, I think, if that continues to happen in your life, you're probably the issue,

but sometimes it's also extremely bad luck. And I think if there's any health issues in a family,

then that can just upset a lot of relationships as well. Vanessa really helped me through it,

and she co-wrote a book with her partner, John, called It's Not You, It's Me,

and it's meant to help people better negotiate their relationships and identify a lot of

couples' problems that many people deal with. So I brought them on to discuss their book,

and we delved a bit into my past, my current relationship, their current relationship.

It was a fun episode. I hope you guys enjoy it, and I hope you find it helpful.

Before we get started, this episode of the podcast is sponsored by Rabbit Air.

I just got up and shifted the camera slightly. Rabbit Air is always hanging out over there.

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