Hey friends, Elisa Childers here.

Today we're going to talk about a growing movement in the church called the New Apostolic

Reformation or NAR.

Some Christians think it's a true move of God.

And others, such as my guest today, have deep concerns about its teachings and practices.

Others say it doesn't exist at all.

We're going to talk about all these questions and try to clear up the confusion on today's

podcast.

My guest today is Holly Pivic and she's an expert on a movement called the New Apostolic Reformation.

In fact, she's co-authored two books on the subject and we're going to get into what

that's all about in just a minute.

But I want to tell you a little bit about her first.

So she's a biologist girl.

She's got her master's degree in apologetics.

And when she was at Biola, she was the managing editor of Biola Magazine.

She's been interviewed extensively on this subject by major news outlets and she has

a really great website and a blog.

And you can find that at spiritoferror.org where she blogs kind of extensively about this

movement if you want to find out more.

So I want to welcome Holly Pivic to the podcast.

Holly, thanks so much for being on with me today.

Holly, thanks so much, Alisa, for having me on.

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