So, Gray, I feel like I need to make a statement, like a kind of press conference like statement.

Like how if the president does something really bad and needs to get everybody in a room to talk to them.

People think I'm evil now because of our last episode. You know when we were talking about

all the email list stuff? Yeah, yeah. Right. And basically people think that I want to sell all of their information to companies.

That's some of the feedback that I have received over the last two weeks.

Okay, so Mike, I'm looking at our show notes, which as I have commented many times, are very, very thorough show notes.

But you have a section where you want to justify and defend yourself for your marketing nature.

And this section is hugely long.

I've been thinking about it a lot, yeah.

I can tell you've been thinking about it long.

There are one, two, three, four, five,

six top-level bullets for this section,

which then have many, many sub-bullets in them, all of which I can see in advance are Mike trying to justify

his position as a marketing man. It is much, much more thorough. I think you might have written more in your defense

than the whole of the audience wrote in the Reddit about your marketing nature.

Yes, completely, yes.

And really, it was like three people.

But still, I just, I did also feel this listening back. Like I've heard you say this on hello

internet bunch especially in the earlier days where like you'd listen back and you were

like oh man look what I've done and I felt it at the time so like so So what we were talking about was this Google Match thing, right? And the idea of companies being able to upload their email databases and have that to some targeted marketing. And I was talking about why I thought that was a good idea.

Now, I think that is a good idea in traditional marketing if that's your business,

right? I was thinking about it as in the stuff that I used to work in and how that would work for me if I was still in that business.

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