Get your business together. Get yourself into what you do and see it through.

Because being boss is hard. Letending work and life is messy.

Making a dream job of your own isn't easy.

But getting paid for it, becoming known for it,

and finding purpose in it is so doable if you do the work.

Being Boss, a podcast for creative entrepreneurs from Emily Thompson and Kathleen Shannon.

Welcome to episode 16, launching and running a debt-free business.

This episode is brought to you by Fresh Books Cloud Account.

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So I think that there's this conventional wisdom out there that you have to spend money to make money.

And I think as much as you and I, Emily, believe in investing in ourselves and hiring talent to help us make our business totally boss.

I think that there's something to be said for launching and running a debt-free business.

I feel like you don't have to be spending cash to build a successful business. You don't have to be throwing money

around like crazy to make money. So today I really just want to talk about how we did it with little money and no investors.

Yeah, high five for us by the way.

High five.

Do you ever just like, let me get real proud for the moment. Do you ever just like let me get real proud for the moment?

Do you ever just like sit and like look at what you've done and realize that you pay cash for all of it?

Um, no, but you not?

I don't.

I don't.

I don't think I think of it in the same way that I think you're like the money

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