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Freakonomics, M.D.

16. An Exit Interview with N.I.H. Director Dr. Francis Collins

Freakonomics, M.D.

Freakonomics Radio + Stitcher

Society & Culture, Science

4.81.1K Ratings

🗓️ 17 December 2021

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

The National Institutes of Health is the backbone of health research in the U.S., and Collins has been in charge for more than a decade. Now that he’s stepping down, he ponders the arc of his history-making career, from his leadership of the Human Genome Project to the fight against Covid-19 (not to mention the absolute happiest moment of his life).

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0:00.0

Hey there, it's me, Bapu.

0:05.0

Today on the show, we have a special guest for you.

0:08.0

What do you prefer to be called?

0:09.0

Do you go by first and what do you prefer?

0:10.0

Go by first name, please.

0:12.0

That's Dr. Francis Collins.

0:14.0

For just a few more days, he's the director of the National Institutes of Health.

0:19.0

The NIH is the main federal agency funding health-related research in the United States.

0:24.0

Each year, the NIH spends about $42 billion in funding for medical research at its own labs

0:31.0

and through grants to outside scientists.

0:34.0

So pretty important always, but especially now.

0:37.0

Research funded by the NIH has paved the way for treatments and cancer, heart disease, mental health, HIV,

0:44.0

rare diseases, the list is practically endless.

0:47.0

And of course, the NIH has played a huge role in the fight against COVID-19.

0:52.0

By the way, full disclosure, I have received some NIH awards and grants for my research

0:57.0

and I wouldn't say no to more.

0:59.0

Anyway, Dr. Collins has been NIH's director for 12 years.

1:03.0

He served under President Obama, Trump, and Biden.

1:06.0

That's pretty rare for a political appointee.

1:09.0

In fact, Collins is the longest serving presidentially appointed director of the National Institutes of Health.

1:15.0

But as I mentioned, he's only got a few days left in the job before he steps down on December 19th.

1:21.0

So it seemed like the perfect time to reflect on his career at the NIH and what comes next.

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